My Account
Sign up, and you'll be able to vote in polls.
Sign up
Report problem with this ad
Start a related thread
Start a related poll
Reply via Boardmail
Aug 6, 2019
10:05
:53
pm
CoachSpeak
All-American
I know, that’s super lame of me...
This message has been modified
Originally posted on Aug 6, 2019 at 10:05:53pm
Message modified by CoachSpeak on Aug 6, 2019 at 10:06:28pm
Start a related thread
Start a related poll
Reply via Boardmail
Report problem with this ad
CoachSpeak
Bio page
CoachSpeak
Joined
Aug 25, 2013
Last login
Aug 18, 2020
Total posts
23,002 (2,610 FO)
Report problem with this ad
Messages
Author
Time
Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is unforgivable
snowbird
8/4/19 3:34pm
Isn't the consesus he is a yes man so the BoT likes him?
TNT
8/4/19 3:35pm
It’s not a consensus. It’s reality.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 5:47pm
This was the moment that I realized Holmoe could no longer be trusted with BYU sports.
Pimpin4Paradise
8/4/19 3:39pm
Holy crap. I laughed hard
Stucoug83
8/4/19 9:24pm
Here’s the problem with that...
CoachSpeak
8/4/19 3:39pm
This is good
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 4:23pm
I think this is the key.
HomeTownHero
8/4/19 5:48pm
Personally I don’t think holmoe has anything to do with
cougfanz
8/4/19 5:51pm
If he gets blamed for failures of football and basketball then he gets credit...
icecougar
8/5/19 2:00am
amen
ColonelMustard
8/5/19 12:11pm
Those sports don’t bring money or prestige to BYU so who cares if they are good
Dillinger
8/4/19 8:42pm
So why have them then? I’ll tell you why...
icecougar
8/5/19 2:39am
PAC 10 is called conference of champions because they gave themselves a nickname
ochobeeguy
8/5/19 9:37am
That is correct. Outside of the PAC most people don't call them that
pappabear246
8/6/19 5:31am
This is the longest period of time since early 70’s that we have gone without a
Oranje
8/4/19 6:23pm
The problem with your take is sports aren't even close to what they were pre-90s
palangi
8/4/19 10:26pm
Problem with your post is that most of the championships took place post 1990.
Oranje
8/4/19 11:05pm
<< Deleted >>
Oranje
8/4/19 10:52pm
Directors Cup standings are much lower than where they’ve been historically.
NorCal_Coug
8/4/19 6:34pm
But does that tell the whole story?
HomeTownHero
8/4/19 7:43pm
It’s overlooking what football and basketball have done
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 7:47pm
<< Deleted >>
fenderbender
8/4/19 8:18pm
In the 8 years before Holmoe, BYU won 7 national championships. Since then, ZERO
Oranje
8/4/19 10:04pm
Surprising that volleyball hasnt
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 10:14pm
Unfortunately Our current coaches aren’t what McGown and Peterson were.
Oranje
8/4/19 11:09pm
Ha ha. Are you Larry Scott?
BrobaFett
8/4/19 7:12pm
Is Larry Scott on cougar board?
Jazznut26
8/4/19 10:04pm
Even if that was true, those other sports dont pay the bills
Iki_Balam
8/4/19 10:14pm
That's more a product of the recruiting pipeline than it is the AD
Medute
8/5/19 10:02am
If they want to "give that up to play for a national power"...
CoachSpeak
8/5/19 10:22am
Better NFL talent production, coaching, and playing in PAC12
Medute
8/5/19 12:53pm
That's fine but you said they want to play for a "national power"...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 12:39pm
Yeah, I think I was just referring to the top LDS athletes
Medute
8/6/19 1:13pm
Got it...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 1:18pm
Yeah, I don't ever see Utah becoming one of the "sexy" schools
Medute
8/6/19 1:26pm
And that is the problem. Those "other" sports don't drive the revenue...
saltlakecoug1
8/5/19 10:45am
I don't care how good USU becomes with Anderson. BYU should be winning that game
Preppy
8/4/19 3:40pm
He was a good coach at Cal though
Mr. Belding
8/4/19 3:41pm
This is cute
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 4:25pm
Before or after he destroyed their program?
dYrtbYkerYder
8/4/19 9:08pm
So who should he have hired for football instead?
mudpupper
8/4/19 3:42pm
Lance Anderson
vagabonder
8/4/19 5:10pm
Really, it's hard to imagine a better set of experiences for a future BYU HC.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/4/19 9:09pm
Ken Niumatalolo
reddead
8/5/19 8:43am
You guys were losing your minds about Ken N running the option.
displacedute
8/5/19 10:19am
My HS team ran the option, so I was all about Ken N. But you're right, option
reddead
8/5/19 3:36pm
This isn’t entirely correct, there’s a little bit of truth in it...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 8:30pm
I don’t like to be teased
PessimisticCB
8/6/19 10:00pm
I know, that’s super lame of me...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 10:05pm
I remember reading a newspaper that interviewed him about the job and then watched him I think
PessimisticCB
8/6/19 10:14pm
You're definition of implosion is interesting. Need to look at your facts in
basman
8/4/19 3:51pm
weak
4mack
8/4/19 3:53pm
I thought of this too
TADOW
8/4/19 3:56pm
Starting to fall behind/letting Utah State catch up should be concerning to every BYU fan
Bonoman
8/4/19 4:02pm
I suppose LaVell should have had that attitude.
Y05
8/4/19 4:22pm
This is well crafted
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 4:28pm
I am not convinced there is the commitment needed to elevate each program back what you mentioned....
Bonoman
8/4/19 4:00pm
What is it you think they’re trying to do?
Pretorian
8/4/19 7:29pm
Sounds kind of like his coaching career...
Real Men Wear Blue
8/4/19 4:05pm
The Holmoe period has been a complete disaster. A massive failure.
Backcountry
8/4/19 4:07pm
3 straight losing seasons, sexual misconduct scandals
deliciousmocha
8/4/19 4:12pm
Preach.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:22pm
A truth or two but just as many or more falsehoods
coug10278
8/4/19 4:19pm
Your confusing "athletic department" with "football team"
MaxxPower
8/4/19 6:22pm
Football matters most. However,
deliciousmocha
8/4/19 7:22pm
Football and mens basketball are the only relevant pieces
Backcountry
8/5/19 1:48pm
So is the argument that it's Holmoe's fault is he should have done what?
whiteninja
8/4/19 4:09pm
He failed to hire KWhitt. As much as I dislike him, and as “good” as Bronco was,
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:16pm
It was solely on Kwhitt that he didn’t come. His players wanted him to stay so he stayed.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:20pm
💰 💰 💰
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:26pm
Wrong
TNT
8/4/19 4:28pm
What is right then?
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:30pm
Utah came up with more money on their counter offer
TNT
8/4/19 4:32pm
I thought players showed up to his house and asked him to stay.... that’s what several people on here have said.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:36pm
They did. But that wasn't the deciding factor
TNT
8/4/19 4:38pm
Ok. You win TNT.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:53pm
Wahoo! TNT = 567. CB = 45,412
TNT
8/4/19 5:04pm
You got sources saying it was him and not the BOT or attorneys?
BYUfan92
8/4/19 4:20pm
That's fair
TNT
8/4/19 4:22pm
It’s his job to sell it to them.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:26pm
No, his job is to implement what the BOT wants
BYUfan92
8/4/19 4:56pm
That's sad if the BOT can't let someone do their job.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:57pm
Yup
ZooBlue
8/4/19 5:38pm
Yeah, Whitt had nothing to do with the decision. We could’ve just made him come!
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:37am
I feel the last AD with a strong vision of what he wanted to accomplish was Rondo Fehlberg...he got shown the door
Bonoman
8/4/19 8:06pm
RE: I feel the last AD with a strong vision of what he wanted to accomplish was
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 10:05pm
Who was the dumpster fire that he hired? Please elaborate.
Oranje
8/5/19 11:21am
Whitt has nothing to do with the decision?
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:36am
Haha. The PAC-12 didn’t even exist back when Bronco was hired at BYU. These
rainorsnow
8/5/19 8:48am
Haha. It depends which time you’re talking about 🙄
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:58am
What other time would I be talking about??
rainorsnow
8/5/19 9:06am
The time Bronco left, duh. We talked to Whitt then too.
canofpicante
8/5/19 12:00pm
Yeah, Holmoe talked with him at the airport about Kalani. KW was never an option
rainorsnow
8/5/19 1:13pm
He was never an option the first time either.
canofpicante
8/6/19 11:31am
Wow. You’re the first person I’ve heard say KW was not an option
rainorsnow
8/6/19 11:35am
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and there is absolutely no way to know that
ManicBlue
8/5/19 9:18am
Well, he was BYU's #1 target for a reason. Not only that, he was the HC at
rainorsnow
8/5/19 10:34am
Agreed! BYU should have made KW a offer BEFORE Sanford took the job at UNLV...
Chazz Reinhold
8/5/19 10:23am
THe pitch to the Big12 in 2011 was bad
I'mBatman
8/4/19 5:10pm
So presumptuous. Please enlighten us as to our exact demands. I eagerly await...
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:39am
It was more than just no-Sunday play, which was too much. Here's Harmon's take:
rainorsnow
8/5/19 9:05am
This is nothing more than Harmon’s opinion and he says as much in the article.
canofpicante
8/5/19 12:13pm
We know BYU tried to negotiate on more than just no-Sunday play. That
rainorsnow
8/5/19 1:40pm
How do “we know”? We don’t.
canofpicante
8/6/19 12:12pm
I love Holmoe. I support his AD a ton. I want him to be the best AD in the
rainorsnow
8/6/19 7:53pm
You’ve shown us the symptoms. What’s the cause? What specifically has he done or not done that implies he’s the source?
Refugee
8/4/19 4:18pm
The facts are the facts. The failures have been while he was in charge.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 6:51pm
A few:
chazen
8/4/19 9:12pm
Add to that he forces in Detmer, who also had no coaching experience in college
Iki_Balam
8/4/19 10:15pm
RE: A few:
Refugee
8/4/19 10:22pm
I doubt Sitake caused the collapse of BYU basketball. I could be wrong
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:41am
I really don’t care much about basketball
chazen
8/14/19 11:12am
I don't pin Independence on him. That is the driving force.
CougarinOZ
8/4/19 4:21pm
He took BYU independent, but you don’t pin that on him?
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:38pm
Waayyy too simplistic. Unlike every other college
FanofBYU
8/4/19 6:41pm
Sinking ship or not the Big 12 was our only viable option then, as it is still
Jacksonian76
8/4/19 10:33pm
It was painful listening and arguing with many on CB who wanted
rainorsnow
8/4/19 10:40pm
Are you referring to 2011 or 2016?
Refugee
8/4/19 10:45pm
2011
rainorsnow
8/4/19 11:08pm
I agree that the Big12 would have been ideal
FanofBYU
8/4/19 11:44pm
Name the others then. Everyone claims Holmoe doesn't have to do anything as AD.
rainorsnow
8/5/19 12:12am
You can't be serious. Chris Hill had full authority. Also, the UofU President
FanofBYU
8/5/19 8:38am
So, you’re fine with BYU lying to the fan base in saying that they’re
rainorsnow
8/5/19 8:44am
Lying? Just because BYU BOT expect certain things doesn't mean they aren't
FanofBYU
8/5/19 9:53am
Lying. Misleading. Bending the truth. Whatever you want to call it. Their
rainorsnow
8/5/19 10:10am
What we’re saying is the BOT is not as
FanofBYU
8/5/19 11:04am
And I agree.
rainorsnow
8/5/19 11:13am
Doesn’t mean BYU isn’t trying to
FanofBYU
8/5/19 12:39pm
Holmoe has worked miracles given his circumstances. You're wrong if you think we can do better.
HarlemCoug
8/4/19 4:28pm
My only beef with him is nudging Detmer into the OC spot
BlackBart
8/4/19 4:32pm
BYU has a successful business program, but there’s no one that is
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:41pm
Sincere question: how many schools have a business guy as AD?
Y05
8/4/19 4:49pm
Many do have a sports background, naturally. Small sample of CFB playoff ADs:
rainorsnow
8/4/19 5:08pm
Many of whom you touch on have deep, expansive relationships
BlackBart
8/4/19 8:59pm
Seems like a safe bet. Lewis will likely do anything the BOT says.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 9:10pm
This is the correct response. Everything else in my limited view
TempeCoug
8/4/19 6:36pm
It’s a tough position to define success and it’s a tough position to know whethe
cougfanz
8/4/19 4:41pm
This is true. Not unique to BYU
TNT
8/4/19 4:44pm
The positives of the athletic program heavily outweigh the negative.
troymac32
8/4/19 4:53pm
Most of the factors driving those things are not AD controlled
Turnpike Lane
8/4/19 5:03pm
Blame it on the BOT
maxpowers
8/4/19 5:04pm
No, it’s not
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 5:06pm
Thankfully Tom has a plan.
Zach Morris
8/4/19 5:09pm
Good grief.
Mark
8/4/19 5:10pm
Just a WEE BIT of over-exaggeration there, or might we say an
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/4/19 10:15pm
Amen!!
WaybackCougar
8/4/19 11:26pm
I also keep hearing about how awful our swimming pool is
D.T. Survivor
8/4/19 5:14pm
“It’s not his fault” - Sincerely, Every blind follower of every bad leader.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 5:17pm
Anywhere else and he'd have been fired long ago.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 5:19pm
Sad sad truth. And I’ve been told by people that he knows it too.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 5:48pm
RE: Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is
MormonThug
8/4/19 5:28pm
Bookmarked
Turnpike Lane
8/4/19 5:47pm
Yeah, there’s a lot that’s wrong, but thinking an AD swap would fix it is silly
cajuncoug
8/4/19 5:49pm
Who would’ve handled things better?
Aircooled
8/4/19 5:53pm
How could anyone possibly know that? Why or how can anyone just assume that
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 7:00pm
You're right...we don't know that.
Aircooled
8/5/19 12:09pm
I’ve been critical of Holmoe and some of his hires, but I’m not sure BYU
ataylor
8/4/19 5:55pm
This modern hyperbole exaggerating mentality where everything is “literally” the
Pretorian
8/4/19 6:03pm
"implosion." You like using hyperbole
Adrielle
8/4/19 6:15pm
An athletic director should be graded on Leerfield cup standings with added weight to football and basketball
MaxxPower
8/4/19 6:16pm
I think we need to see how Pope does and how he handles the football situation
pappabear246
8/4/19 7:03pm
Implosion? What an over exaggeration!!! Someone needs a hug today!!
Chuckie2304
8/4/19 7:22pm
It's far from an "absolute implosion."
lightmann
8/4/19 7:23pm
There is a thin line between winning in college athletics. We are so spoiled
MajorZeus
8/4/19 7:27pm
Be sure to get these shots in before both sports start making significant
tony
8/4/19 8:12pm
So many of the points you rightfully make correlate with independence though...
fenderbender
8/4/19 8:21pm
Worst decision (for TH, BYU, and the BOT) at the time. I wish I could go back
rainorsnow
8/4/19 8:27pm
Funny how you think BYU will do something it nor any other school has done
Iki_Balam
8/4/19 10:18pm
The measure of success for an AD is much broader than on-field success for just men's football & basketball
cougXor
8/4/19 8:59pm
Your thinking is very shallow...Holmoe is not the root cause of any “implosion”
fatkid
8/4/19 9:40pm
BYU athletics died under Holmoe. The cause of death was Utah to the PAC 12
Blue2thebone
8/4/19 10:16pm
Nope. BYU athletics is alive and still going, just on the rebound!
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/4/19 10:20pm
The night is darkest before the dawn
fatkid
8/5/19 6:46am
RE: BYU athletics died under Holmoe. The cause of death was Utah to the PAC 12
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 10:26pm
Really? I have never been more excited about the future of BYU football.
Refugee
8/4/19 10:38pm
Really? Never been more excited? About what?
Blue2thebone
8/4/19 11:22pm
These things cycle. It’s not always gonna be this way. This is not all on Holmoe or any one thing.
Refugee
8/5/19 5:09am
Such as?
Backcountry
8/5/19 12:13pm
Read my post just above.
Refugee
8/5/19 12:31pm
You obviously didn't follow BYU football in the 80's and 90's.
BleedCougarBlue2
8/5/19 1:02pm
I certainly did. I remember the miracle bowl to this day and everything good and bad after. Been a diehard fan since.
Refugee
8/5/19 1:24pm
Died? A bit melodramatic. Was it a setback? Absolutely. If memory
FanofBYU
8/5/19 8:30am
Do we have a pulse or are we dead? Choose one. 🙄
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:33am
RE: BYU athletics died under Holmoe. The cause of death was Utah to the PAC 12
tony
8/5/19 2:31pm
Give it a rest. Dude was a genius when we were winning...
canofpicante
8/4/19 11:03pm
It’s been almost a DECADE since then. Wake. The. Yewt. Up.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 11:17pm
"He didn't change. What did then?" Everything changed since then. Right after
rainorsnow
8/5/19 12:03am
You think staying Indy was Holmoe’s decision?! 😂🤪🙄
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:21am
And you think BYU would be winning like BSU if it were in the MWC. Have you not
rainorsnow
8/5/19 9:16am
It’s insane that all those things are facts. They are reality. And yet so many
Gerald-DeGroot
8/6/19 1:37am
RE: Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is
Ned Schneebly
8/4/19 11:17pm
RE: Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is
Prickly Heat
8/5/19 7:16am
He was the AD that finally got rid of the Cattermole's and got a real coach for
ManicBlue
8/5/19 9:06am
We are talking about Gymnastics? Not sure many care!
dodgersjazzcougs
8/5/19 9:17am
I never thought much of it, but that guy was pretty odd.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/5/19 9:19am
Um, he had been AD for at least 10 years by the time the Cattermoles left...
Oranje
8/5/19 11:18am
Also the longest stretch without a national championship in any sport since
Gentleman Stan
8/5/19 9:19am
?? Compared to who? And for what sports?
Jasbo
8/5/19 3:54pm
How about Men's Volleyball Nat'l Championships in 1999, 2001, 2004?
Jasbo
8/5/19 3:55pm
15 years since last national championship. That's the longest drought in decades
Gentleman Stan
8/5/19 4:56pm
I'd like to defend Holmoe and counter you but your facts are solid ):
stealth
8/5/19 10:00am
Holmoe has been a positive influence. Heres why
baldcoug74
8/5/19 10:19am
Oh the the olympic sports argument. Truth is they are down from where they were.
Oranje
8/5/19 10:35am
Yep
Gentleman Stan
8/5/19 11:01am
RE: Oh the the olympic sports argument. Truth is they are down from where they
Fansince67
8/5/19 11:33am
With the exception of women’s rugby we did that and better before Holmoe.
Oranje
8/5/19 5:05pm
”Club sport” ❓
MichCoug
8/7/19 5:24pm
You are being selective ... both volleyball teams have been to final 4/
sandiegocgrfan
8/7/19 5:58pm
Wow. Maybe a little hyperbole here?!!
Jasbo
8/5/19 3:52pm
Is this a joke?? "Absolute Implosion?" Thank you for the good laugh on a Monday!
sandiegocgrfan
8/5/19 5:28pm
My Xbox 360 broke
PessimisticCB
8/5/19 5:39pm
Report problem with this ad
Posting on CougarBoard
In order to post, you will need to either
sign up
or
log in
.
Report problem with this ad