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Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is unforgivable
snowbird
8/4/19 3:34pm
Isn't the consesus he is a yes man so the BoT likes him?
TNT
8/4/19 3:35pm
It’s not a consensus. It’s reality.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 5:47pm
This was the moment that I realized Holmoe could no longer be trusted with BYU sports.
Pimpin4Paradise
8/4/19 3:39pm
Holy crap. I laughed hard
Stucoug83
8/4/19 9:24pm
Here’s the problem with that...
CoachSpeak
8/4/19 3:39pm
This is good
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 4:23pm
I think this is the key.
HomeTownHero
8/4/19 5:48pm
Personally I don’t think holmoe has anything to do with
cougfanz
8/4/19 5:51pm
If he gets blamed for failures of football and basketball then he gets credit...
icecougar
8/5/19 2:00am
amen
ColonelMustard
8/5/19 12:11pm
Those sports don’t bring money or prestige to BYU so who cares if they are good
Dillinger
8/4/19 8:42pm
So why have them then? I’ll tell you why...
icecougar
8/5/19 2:39am
PAC 10 is called conference of champions because they gave themselves a nickname
ochobeeguy
8/5/19 9:37am
That is correct. Outside of the PAC most people don't call them that
pappabear246
8/6/19 5:31am
This is the longest period of time since early 70’s that we have gone without a
Oranje
8/4/19 6:23pm
The problem with your take is sports aren't even close to what they were pre-90s
palangi
8/4/19 10:26pm
Problem with your post is that most of the championships took place post 1990.
Oranje
8/4/19 11:05pm
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Oranje
8/4/19 10:52pm
Directors Cup standings are much lower than where they’ve been historically.
NorCal_Coug
8/4/19 6:34pm
But does that tell the whole story?
HomeTownHero
8/4/19 7:43pm
It’s overlooking what football and basketball have done
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 7:47pm
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fenderbender
8/4/19 8:18pm
In the 8 years before Holmoe, BYU won 7 national championships. Since then, ZERO
Oranje
8/4/19 10:04pm
Surprising that volleyball hasnt
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 10:14pm
Unfortunately Our current coaches aren’t what McGown and Peterson were.
Oranje
8/4/19 11:09pm
Ha ha. Are you Larry Scott?
BrobaFett
8/4/19 7:12pm
Is Larry Scott on cougar board?
Jazznut26
8/4/19 10:04pm
Even if that was true, those other sports dont pay the bills
Iki_Balam
8/4/19 10:14pm
That's more a product of the recruiting pipeline than it is the AD
Medute
8/5/19 10:02am
If they want to "give that up to play for a national power"...
CoachSpeak
8/5/19 10:22am
Better NFL talent production, coaching, and playing in PAC12
Medute
8/5/19 12:53pm
That's fine but you said they want to play for a "national power"...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 12:39pm
Yeah, I think I was just referring to the top LDS athletes
Medute
8/6/19 1:13pm
Got it...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 1:18pm
Yeah, I don't ever see Utah becoming one of the "sexy" schools
Medute
8/6/19 1:26pm
And that is the problem. Those "other" sports don't drive the revenue...
saltlakecoug1
8/5/19 10:45am
I don't care how good USU becomes with Anderson. BYU should be winning that game
Preppy
8/4/19 3:40pm
He was a good coach at Cal though
Mr. Belding
8/4/19 3:41pm
This is cute
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 4:25pm
Before or after he destroyed their program?
dYrtbYkerYder
8/4/19 9:08pm
So who should he have hired for football instead?
mudpupper
8/4/19 3:42pm
Lance Anderson
vagabonder
8/4/19 5:10pm
Really, it's hard to imagine a better set of experiences for a future BYU HC.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/4/19 9:09pm
Ken Niumatalolo
reddead
8/5/19 8:43am
You guys were losing your minds about Ken N running the option.
displacedute
8/5/19 10:19am
My HS team ran the option, so I was all about Ken N. But you're right, option
reddead
8/5/19 3:36pm
This isn’t entirely correct, there’s a little bit of truth in it...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 8:30pm
I don’t like to be teased
PessimisticCB
8/6/19 10:00pm
I know, that’s super lame of me...
CoachSpeak
8/6/19 10:05pm
I remember reading a newspaper that interviewed him about the job and then watched him I think
PessimisticCB
8/6/19 10:14pm
You're definition of implosion is interesting. Need to look at your facts in
basman
8/4/19 3:51pm
weak
4mack
8/4/19 3:53pm
I thought of this too
TADOW
8/4/19 3:56pm
Starting to fall behind/letting Utah State catch up should be concerning to every BYU fan
Bonoman
8/4/19 4:02pm
I suppose LaVell should have had that attitude.
Y05
8/4/19 4:22pm
This is well crafted
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 4:28pm
I am not convinced there is the commitment needed to elevate each program back what you mentioned....
Bonoman
8/4/19 4:00pm
What is it you think they’re trying to do?
Pretorian
8/4/19 7:29pm
Sounds kind of like his coaching career...
Real Men Wear Blue
8/4/19 4:05pm
The Holmoe period has been a complete disaster. A massive failure.
Backcountry
8/4/19 4:07pm
3 straight losing seasons, sexual misconduct scandals
deliciousmocha
8/4/19 4:12pm
Preach.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:22pm
A truth or two but just as many or more falsehoods
coug10278
8/4/19 4:19pm
Your confusing "athletic department" with "football team"
MaxxPower
8/4/19 6:22pm
Football matters most. However,
deliciousmocha
8/4/19 7:22pm
Football and mens basketball are the only relevant pieces
Backcountry
8/5/19 1:48pm
So is the argument that it's Holmoe's fault is he should have done what?
whiteninja
8/4/19 4:09pm
He failed to hire KWhitt. As much as I dislike him, and as “good” as Bronco was,
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:16pm
It was solely on Kwhitt that he didn’t come. His players wanted him to stay so he stayed.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:20pm
💰 💰 💰
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:26pm
Wrong
TNT
8/4/19 4:28pm
What is right then?
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:30pm
Utah came up with more money on their counter offer
TNT
8/4/19 4:32pm
I thought players showed up to his house and asked him to stay.... that’s what several people on here have said.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:36pm
They did. But that wasn't the deciding factor
TNT
8/4/19 4:38pm
Ok. You win TNT.
PessimisticCB
8/4/19 4:53pm
Wahoo! TNT = 567. CB = 45,412
TNT
8/4/19 5:04pm
You got sources saying it was him and not the BOT or attorneys?
BYUfan92
8/4/19 4:20pm
That's fair
TNT
8/4/19 4:22pm
It’s his job to sell it to them.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:26pm
No, his job is to implement what the BOT wants
BYUfan92
8/4/19 4:56pm
That's sad if the BOT can't let someone do their job.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:57pm
Yup
ZooBlue
8/4/19 5:38pm
Yeah, Whitt had nothing to do with the decision. We could’ve just made him come!
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:37am
I feel the last AD with a strong vision of what he wanted to accomplish was Rondo Fehlberg...he got shown the door
Bonoman
8/4/19 8:06pm
RE: I feel the last AD with a strong vision of what he wanted to accomplish was
Prickly Heat
8/4/19 10:05pm
Who was the dumpster fire that he hired? Please elaborate.
Oranje
8/5/19 11:21am
Whitt has nothing to do with the decision?
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:36am
Haha. The PAC-12 didn’t even exist back when Bronco was hired at BYU. These
rainorsnow
8/5/19 8:48am
Haha. It depends which time you’re talking about 🙄
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:58am
What other time would I be talking about??
rainorsnow
8/5/19 9:06am
The time Bronco left, duh. We talked to Whitt then too.
canofpicante
8/5/19 12:00pm
Yeah, Holmoe talked with him at the airport about Kalani. KW was never an option
rainorsnow
8/5/19 1:13pm
He was never an option the first time either.
canofpicante
8/6/19 11:31am
Wow. You’re the first person I’ve heard say KW was not an option
rainorsnow
8/6/19 11:35am
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and there is absolutely no way to know that
ManicBlue
8/5/19 9:18am
Well, he was BYU's #1 target for a reason. Not only that, he was the HC at
rainorsnow
8/5/19 10:34am
Agreed! BYU should have made KW a offer BEFORE Sanford took the job at UNLV...
Chazz Reinhold
8/5/19 10:23am
THe pitch to the Big12 in 2011 was bad
I'mBatman
8/4/19 5:10pm
So presumptuous. Please enlighten us as to our exact demands. I eagerly await...
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:39am
It was more than just no-Sunday play, which was too much. Here's Harmon's take:
rainorsnow
8/5/19 9:05am
This is nothing more than Harmon’s opinion and he says as much in the article.
canofpicante
8/5/19 12:13pm
We know BYU tried to negotiate on more than just no-Sunday play. That
rainorsnow
8/5/19 1:40pm
How do “we know”? We don’t.
canofpicante
8/6/19 12:12pm
I love Holmoe. I support his AD a ton. I want him to be the best AD in the
rainorsnow
8/6/19 7:53pm
You’ve shown us the symptoms. What’s the cause? What specifically has he done or not done that implies he’s the source?
Refugee
8/4/19 4:18pm
The facts are the facts. The failures have been while he was in charge.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 6:51pm
A few:
chazen
8/4/19 9:12pm
Add to that he forces in Detmer, who also had no coaching experience in college
Iki_Balam
8/4/19 10:15pm
RE: A few:
Refugee
8/4/19 10:22pm
I doubt Sitake caused the collapse of BYU basketball. I could be wrong
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:41am
I really don’t care much about basketball
chazen
8/14/19 11:12am
I don't pin Independence on him. That is the driving force.
CougarinOZ
8/4/19 4:21pm
He took BYU independent, but you don’t pin that on him?
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:38pm
Waayyy too simplistic. Unlike every other college
FanofBYU
8/4/19 6:41pm
Sinking ship or not the Big 12 was our only viable option then, as it is still
Jacksonian76
8/4/19 10:33pm
It was painful listening and arguing with many on CB who wanted
rainorsnow
8/4/19 10:40pm
Are you referring to 2011 or 2016?
Refugee
8/4/19 10:45pm
2011
rainorsnow
8/4/19 11:08pm
I agree that the Big12 would have been ideal
FanofBYU
8/4/19 11:44pm
Name the others then. Everyone claims Holmoe doesn't have to do anything as AD.
rainorsnow
8/5/19 12:12am
You can't be serious. Chris Hill had full authority. Also, the UofU President
FanofBYU
8/5/19 8:38am
So, you’re fine with BYU lying to the fan base in saying that they’re
rainorsnow
8/5/19 8:44am
Lying? Just because BYU BOT expect certain things doesn't mean they aren't
FanofBYU
8/5/19 9:53am
Lying. Misleading. Bending the truth. Whatever you want to call it. Their
rainorsnow
8/5/19 10:10am
What we’re saying is the BOT is not as
FanofBYU
8/5/19 11:04am
And I agree.
rainorsnow
8/5/19 11:13am
Doesn’t mean BYU isn’t trying to
FanofBYU
8/5/19 12:39pm
Holmoe has worked miracles given his circumstances. You're wrong if you think we can do better.
HarlemCoug
8/4/19 4:28pm
My only beef with him is nudging Detmer into the OC spot
BlackBart
8/4/19 4:32pm
BYU has a successful business program, but there’s no one that is
rainorsnow
8/4/19 4:41pm
Sincere question: how many schools have a business guy as AD?
Y05
8/4/19 4:49pm
Many do have a sports background, naturally. Small sample of CFB playoff ADs:
rainorsnow
8/4/19 5:08pm
Many of whom you touch on have deep, expansive relationships
BlackBart
8/4/19 8:59pm
Seems like a safe bet. Lewis will likely do anything the BOT says.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 9:10pm
This is the correct response. Everything else in my limited view
TempeCoug
8/4/19 6:36pm
It’s a tough position to define success and it’s a tough position to know whethe
cougfanz
8/4/19 4:41pm
This is true. Not unique to BYU
TNT
8/4/19 4:44pm
The positives of the athletic program heavily outweigh the negative.
troymac32
8/4/19 4:53pm
Most of the factors driving those things are not AD controlled
Turnpike Lane
8/4/19 5:03pm
Blame it on the BOT
maxpowers
8/4/19 5:04pm
No, it’s not
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 5:06pm
Thankfully Tom has a plan.
Zach Morris
8/4/19 5:09pm
Good grief.
Mark
8/4/19 5:10pm
Just a WEE BIT of over-exaggeration there, or might we say an
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/4/19 10:15pm
Amen!!
WaybackCougar
8/4/19 11:26pm
I also keep hearing about how awful our swimming pool is
D.T. Survivor
8/4/19 5:14pm
“It’s not his fault” - Sincerely, Every blind follower of every bad leader.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 5:17pm
Anywhere else and he'd have been fired long ago.
rainorsnow
8/4/19 5:19pm
Sad sad truth. And I’ve been told by people that he knows it too.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 5:48pm
RE: Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is
MormonThug
8/4/19 5:28pm
Bookmarked
Turnpike Lane
8/4/19 5:47pm
Yeah, there’s a lot that’s wrong, but thinking an AD swap would fix it is silly
cajuncoug
8/4/19 5:49pm
Who would’ve handled things better?
Aircooled
8/4/19 5:53pm
How could anyone possibly know that? Why or how can anyone just assume that
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 7:00pm
You're right...we don't know that.
Aircooled
8/5/19 12:09pm
I’ve been critical of Holmoe and some of his hires, but I’m not sure BYU
ataylor
8/4/19 5:55pm
This modern hyperbole exaggerating mentality where everything is “literally” the
Pretorian
8/4/19 6:03pm
"implosion." You like using hyperbole
Adrielle
8/4/19 6:15pm
An athletic director should be graded on Leerfield cup standings with added weight to football and basketball
MaxxPower
8/4/19 6:16pm
I think we need to see how Pope does and how he handles the football situation
pappabear246
8/4/19 7:03pm
Implosion? What an over exaggeration!!! Someone needs a hug today!!
Chuckie2304
8/4/19 7:22pm
It's far from an "absolute implosion."
lightmann
8/4/19 7:23pm
There is a thin line between winning in college athletics. We are so spoiled
MajorZeus
8/4/19 7:27pm
Be sure to get these shots in before both sports start making significant
tony
8/4/19 8:12pm
So many of the points you rightfully make correlate with independence though...
fenderbender
8/4/19 8:21pm
Worst decision (for TH, BYU, and the BOT) at the time. I wish I could go back
rainorsnow
8/4/19 8:27pm
Funny how you think BYU will do something it nor any other school has done
Iki_Balam
8/4/19 10:18pm
The measure of success for an AD is much broader than on-field success for just men's football & basketball
cougXor
8/4/19 8:59pm
Your thinking is very shallow...Holmoe is not the root cause of any “implosion”
fatkid
8/4/19 9:40pm
BYU athletics died under Holmoe. The cause of death was Utah to the PAC 12
Blue2thebone
8/4/19 10:16pm
Nope. BYU athletics is alive and still going, just on the rebound!
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/4/19 10:20pm
The night is darkest before the dawn
fatkid
8/5/19 6:46am
RE: BYU athletics died under Holmoe. The cause of death was Utah to the PAC 12
puntersarepeople
8/4/19 10:26pm
Really? I have never been more excited about the future of BYU football.
Refugee
8/4/19 10:38pm
Really? Never been more excited? About what?
Blue2thebone
8/4/19 11:22pm
These things cycle. It’s not always gonna be this way. This is not all on Holmoe or any one thing.
Refugee
8/5/19 5:09am
Such as?
Backcountry
8/5/19 12:13pm
Read my post just above.
Refugee
8/5/19 12:31pm
You obviously didn't follow BYU football in the 80's and 90's.
BleedCougarBlue2
8/5/19 1:02pm
I certainly did. I remember the miracle bowl to this day and everything good and bad after. Been a diehard fan since.
Refugee
8/5/19 1:24pm
Died? A bit melodramatic. Was it a setback? Absolutely. If memory
FanofBYU
8/5/19 8:30am
Do we have a pulse or are we dead? Choose one. 🙄
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:33am
RE: BYU athletics died under Holmoe. The cause of death was Utah to the PAC 12
tony
8/5/19 2:31pm
Give it a rest. Dude was a genius when we were winning...
canofpicante
8/4/19 11:03pm
It’s been almost a DECADE since then. Wake. The. Yewt. Up.
Gerald-DeGroot
8/4/19 11:17pm
"He didn't change. What did then?" Everything changed since then. Right after
rainorsnow
8/5/19 12:03am
You think staying Indy was Holmoe’s decision?! 😂🤪🙄
canofpicante
8/5/19 8:21am
And you think BYU would be winning like BSU if it were in the MWC. Have you not
rainorsnow
8/5/19 9:16am
It’s insane that all those things are facts. They are reality. And yet so many
Gerald-DeGroot
8/6/19 1:37am
RE: Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is
Ned Schneebly
8/4/19 11:17pm
RE: Absolute implosion of BYU sports the last few yrs under Holmoe is
Prickly Heat
8/5/19 7:16am
He was the AD that finally got rid of the Cattermole's and got a real coach for
ManicBlue
8/5/19 9:06am
We are talking about Gymnastics? Not sure many care!
dodgersjazzcougs
8/5/19 9:17am
I never thought much of it, but that guy was pretty odd.
dYrtbYkerYder
8/5/19 9:19am
Um, he had been AD for at least 10 years by the time the Cattermoles left...
Oranje
8/5/19 11:18am
Also the longest stretch without a national championship in any sport since
Gentleman Stan
8/5/19 9:19am
?? Compared to who? And for what sports?
Jasbo
8/5/19 3:54pm
How about Men's Volleyball Nat'l Championships in 1999, 2001, 2004?
Jasbo
8/5/19 3:55pm
15 years since last national championship. That's the longest drought in decades
Gentleman Stan
8/5/19 4:56pm
I'd like to defend Holmoe and counter you but your facts are solid ):
stealth
8/5/19 10:00am
Holmoe has been a positive influence. Heres why
baldcoug74
8/5/19 10:19am
Oh the the olympic sports argument. Truth is they are down from where they were.
Oranje
8/5/19 10:35am
Yep
Gentleman Stan
8/5/19 11:01am
RE: Oh the the olympic sports argument. Truth is they are down from where they
Fansince67
8/5/19 11:33am
With the exception of women’s rugby we did that and better before Holmoe.
Oranje
8/5/19 5:05pm
”Club sport” ❓
MichCoug
8/7/19 5:24pm
You are being selective ... both volleyball teams have been to final 4/
sandiegocgrfan
8/7/19 5:58pm
Wow. Maybe a little hyperbole here?!!
Jasbo
8/5/19 3:52pm
Is this a joke?? "Absolute Implosion?" Thank you for the good laugh on a Monday!
sandiegocgrfan
8/5/19 5:28pm
My Xbox 360 broke
PessimisticCB
8/5/19 5:39pm
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