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I just let an employee go today for only giving me a one week notice
Sale
8/8/22 10:35pm
Happens all the time. When two weeks notice comes in, employees are told not to come back. If they're going to competit
Dark Forest Green
8/8/22 10:37pm
The Navy made me give 8 months notice
BYU Tar Heel
8/9/22 12:16pm
Seems petty but whatever
BIG XII Coug
8/8/22 10:37pm
So, you think employees giving a one week notice is acceptable?
Sale
8/8/22 10:40pm
and actually in this case, only a 4 day notice
Sale
8/8/22 10:41pm
M-F is 5 days
ochobeeguy
8/8/22 10:54pm
well, technically 4.5, but ok
Sale
8/8/22 10:57pm
One issue it may cause it employees will not give any notice after securing a
Thrill
8/9/22 12:20pm
Not the best, but sure. And sounds like you just set the example that a zero day notice works too.
TCuz
8/8/22 10:42pm
^^this
JoeExotic
8/8/22 10:48pm
How much notice do employers give employees before layoffs?
Probable Sacko
8/8/22 10:43pm
Amen
Kolobrdm
8/8/22 10:53pm
How much free labor (reverse severance) do employees give after quitting?
Dryfire
8/9/22 8:06am
Yep. Loyalty goes both ways.
Orem58thBall
8/9/22 10:33am
Do you give people you're firing/laying off 2 weeks notice?
cambo
8/8/22 10:48pm
He already answered that as no when he fired her today.
ochobeeguy
8/8/22 10:55pm
Get wrecked bro
Sircumference
8/9/22 6:06am
Do you give 2 weeks notice before a RIF?
CougGolf
8/8/22 10:57pm
What is your business name so I can leave a 2 star on yelp
JoeExotic
8/8/22 11:03pm
RE: What is your business name so I can leave a 2 star on yelp
Bin01015
8/8/22 11:25pm
Not ideal but as a business owner I've always tried to take the high road and avoid burning bridges
BIG XII Coug
8/9/22 8:17am
Same. Plus if it's a good employee, at least I get 4 more days out of him/her while I'm trying to locate a replacement.
unctoothman
8/9/22 8:43am
Utah is a
Lavell4life
8/9/22 1:17am
This is the correct and only answer
BYURider
8/9/22 5:29am
Does Sale live in Utah?
ColonelMustard
8/9/22 11:06am
I thought this was going to be a fill-in-the-blank post about the school up N.
Pangare
8/9/22 11:20am
I just did this a couple months ago.
AZPTCOUG
8/9/22 5:42am
RE: I just let an employee go today for only giving me a one week notice
Cougarnovas
8/8/22 10:41pm
You definitely set precedence.
Bin01015
8/8/22 10:43pm
sweet, just threw your application in the trash lol
Sale
8/8/22 10:46pm
RE: sweet, just threw your application in the trash lol
maxpowers
8/8/22 10:50pm
*precedent
ochobeeguy
8/8/22 10:56pm
Careful, he might fire you for insuportanation
ryebrye
8/9/22 5:50am
RE: Careful, he might fire you for insuportanation
Grammar Police
8/9/22 9:15am
Don’t tell Sale you’re leaving unless you want to be let go the same day.
DieHarder
8/8/22 10:47pm
I had an employer do that once, though I offered two weeks initially.
OPINIONS
8/8/22 10:47pm
Brazilcoug right now..
JohnnyComeLately
8/8/22 10:47pm
Lame. Super lame.
cambo
8/8/22 10:47pm
It’s not uncommon for us to do that even with 2 weeks notice.
ponys
8/8/22 10:48pm
It’s okay for you to terminate her employment without notice but she has some obligation to extend that courtesy to
Pimpin4Paradise
8/8/22 10:49pm
It seems like not too many of you have ever been an employer
Sale
8/8/22 10:55pm
Yes. I’m a hiring manager that not only has a large team of direct reports but a sizable number of second level reports.
Pimpin4Paradise
8/8/22 10:57pm
Feel free to enlighten us then on how employees should notify their employers
Sale
8/8/22 10:59pm
Preferably they’ll provide two weeks. If you’re a good employer, they almost always do. Your behavior of tossing someone
Pimpin4Paradise
8/8/22 11:01pm
Riiight. Way to twist that and make some far-fetched assumptions
Sale
8/8/22 11:03pm
I’ve managed hundreds of different people over the last 15 years. I can only think of one time where an employee quit
Pimpin4Paradise
8/8/22 11:09pm
I think you are missing the point. Yeah it sucks when folks give you a short
Bin01015
8/8/22 11:24pm
Well said for a non-donor
TNT
8/8/22 11:43pm
You're asking for feedback and that is how it looks from the outside. Even if it
ekiben
8/9/22 2:05am
My question is was this a good employee? It seems it got lost in this chest beating session. If the employee was solid a
DJROSS
8/9/22 8:03am
I disagree. A professional approach includes the hiring company saying
BYU Tar Heel
8/9/22 7:38am
"If you’re a good employer, they almost always do" — This is the key here…
ochobeeguy
8/9/22 8:00am
There is no should. They are not legally obligated to provide anything at all. I
here's to hoping
8/9/22 2:45am
Cry me a river
cambo
8/8/22 10:58pm
You sound more and more like someone I wouldn't want to work for.
ochobeeguy
8/8/22 10:58pm
Good and you sound like someone I wouldn't want to hire
Sale
8/8/22 11:03pm
You are going to have a difficult time attracting and holding onto good talent.
JoeExotic
8/8/22 11:06pm
That doesn't seem like a big concern
TNT
8/8/22 11:48pm
Bro, did you post that thinking you’d just get positive feedback?
dixieutahbyuzag
8/9/22 12:39am
He posted it because his policy manual said he had to. The other poster he was
ryebrye
8/9/22 7:58am
I'd never want 2 work for someone who won't hear criticism & just gets defensive
ochobeeguy
8/9/22 8:05am
Why ask the question if you already made up your mind to not accept any negative
Sircumference
8/9/22 10:50am
So your solution was to not even use the notice she did give...? Seems like if
BYUFootballisBack
8/8/22 10:59pm
“You can’t break up with me cuz I break up with you first…”
Pimpin4Paradise
8/8/22 11:02pm
Been a while since we had a CBer pile on OP thread
BYUFootballisBack
8/8/22 11:05pm
RE: Been a while since we had a CBer pile on OP thread
cambo
8/8/22 11:07pm
So you made it harder on yourself with even shorter notice?
YIsForBrigham
8/8/22 11:01pm
I’ll bet you’re in an at-will state and there’s not a word about providing 2
CougGolf
8/8/22 11:01pm
Do you have any idea how challenging it is to be laid off and unemployed with
valleus
8/8/22 11:05pm
So you decided to make it harder on yourself by getting rid of her today?
crazY
8/8/22 11:29pm
It depends on the type of work, if no one can do her job or maybe she had too
SwanSong
8/9/22 12:52am
It's even harder to hire if your company has a bad reputation
ryebrye
8/9/22 5:41am
Right. And former employees who were treated badly will be motivated
Orem58thBall
8/9/22 10:46am
I usually give 2-4 weeks notice…
NonmormonYfan89
8/9/22 5:52am
I don’t get why everyone is responding with that. Is t that exactly the case?
ColonelMustard
8/9/22 11:08am
Could you imagine? “I just wanted to let you know that this is your two weeks
BYU Tar Heel
8/9/22 11:20am
I don't think anybody's saying they should give 2 weeks notice before firing
wannnacruise
8/9/22 11:28am
The employer courtesy is severance
BYU Tar Heel
8/9/22 12:14pm
That makes a little more sense. Thank you
ColonelMustard
8/9/22 2:46pm
Is this a reverse or something?
TNT
8/8/22 10:52pm
I had to scroll down and check, assumed I missed something good
wannnacruise
8/8/22 10:56pm
The precedence being that they shouldn't give any notice? Because you'll push them out immediately.
John Doe
8/8/22 10:55pm
There are givers and there are takers
Endocoug
8/8/22 11:01pm
RE: There are givers and there are takers
JollyGreenGiant
8/8/22 11:03pm
What makes you think I did not give her thanks? We parted on good terms and she
Sale
8/8/22 11:06pm
Lame policy. She expresses interest in a year and you won't consider hiring her?
cambo
8/8/22 11:10pm
I can accept that. We probably need to reconsider that
Sale
8/8/22 11:13pm
I was gonna say, boils down to 2 things 1) was she a good employee? If yes the
BYUFootballisBack
8/8/22 11:19pm
Wait, it’s policy to terminate anyone who doesn’t give a 2 week notice?
Endocoug
8/8/22 11:31pm
^THIS. Honestly, I have a hard time believing that. That would be extremely
kos
8/9/22 5:34am
She said I’m the best boss she’s ever seen. Never better.
Soren Tversky
8/9/22 1:10am
Almost everyone leaves on good terms. It's the next day they get pissed once
Jacksonian76
8/9/22 6:53am
Wait, did you want feedback or not? Let me put this a different way,
Pangare
8/9/22 8:07am
Her response to not being re-hirable
Ikuna
8/9/22 3:13pm
That is super insecure to run business like that.
JoeExotic
8/8/22 11:12pm
Some employers abuse the two-weeks notice thing and let employees go the moment
garyfan
8/8/22 11:27pm
I would never do that. I would honor the 2 week notice so long as the employee
Sale
8/8/22 11:32pm
But your employees just saw you tell one of their colleagues to pack her bags.
garyfan
8/8/22 11:38pm
I agree with this. Also, he likely put more work on the other employees in the short term. I don't think it was wise.
jdub
8/9/22 12:11am
RE: I agree with this. Also, he likely put more work on the other employees in
garyfan
8/9/22 12:16am
This is the biggest thing - if I'm his employee, I'm now less likely to give ANY notice
krindorr
8/9/22 3:33am
What kind of team do you manage?
NonmormonYfan89
8/9/22 6:02am
"I would never do that"…but if it were 1 week, all bets are off…
ochobeeguy
8/9/22 10:32am
It amazes me how one sided some people are…
delbert
8/8/22 11:32pm
This ^^^, plus we honestly didn’t get enough info about the job, industry, etc
babycarrot
8/9/22 2:08am
Letting her go 4 days early is nbd
JoeExotic
8/9/22 5:19am
Therefore, her leaving 5 days early is also nbd.
Les IsMore
8/9/22 9:35am
Well thought out and written post.
rerunc
8/9/22 6:05am
I think the part you're missing is he is not helping himself out AT ALL
ryebrye
8/9/22 6:16am
This is the right answer. He’s hurting himself in both the short run and
Joe
8/10/22 4:59am
It's not 4 days, it's 5, and it was totally done in spite.
ochobeeguy
8/9/22 10:34am
If you’re in an at-will employment state, no issues
kapcreations
8/8/22 11:45pm
This is correct.
rainorsnow
8/9/22 6:10pm
Thanks everyone for taking the time to share your thoughts. Helps me
Sale
8/8/22 11:48pm
It really depends on the employee. I try not to burn bridges unless the employee
BNcoug
8/9/22 12:17am
You started off so strong, but then had to throw in the bit about victimhood.
Joe
8/10/22 5:37am
In the past, I've had a job....
trigg3r
8/9/22 1:34am
First. You had the stones to come here and disclose a leadership decision and
JarJarBeeps
8/9/22 1:42am
Here’s what you should do tomorrow:
garyfan
8/9/22 2:27am
After reading this thread, there is zero chance he's going to do that.
ryebrye
8/9/22 5:45am
This
JarJarBeeps
8/9/22 9:11am
A thousand times, this.
Mitty
8/9/22 10:04am
My question for you on how things played out..
WY_CougFan
8/9/22 2:43am
^ this
mobicurious
8/9/22 4:57am
I think the important question is did you pay her for the rest of the week?
NYC and Japan
8/9/22 7:37am
Throughout this whole thread, there seems to be a common element missing
Acorn
8/9/22 5:48am
Last paragraph spot on.
rerunc
8/9/22 6:10am
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Ozymandias
8/9/22 6:20am
I would think that if accrued vacation was a documented benefit, the employee would be entitled to it no matter what.
Rhino84
8/9/22 7:50am
Depending on company policy and state regulation you may have to pay that out
Dr T-bone
8/9/22 7:54am
I know this is a slightly different topic but in our company they limit carry-over of accrued time off (year to year)
Rhino84
8/9/22 8:03am
For my last job, I only gave one weeks notice. I spent the year prior dealing
LaserCoug
8/9/22 6:29am
Do you give employees a two week notice?
Les IsMore
8/9/22 6:57am
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The_ATL
8/9/22 7:10am
Is she under contract to give 2 weeks? Otherwise it’s not a requirnent BUT if
Dr MoBYU
8/9/22 7:14am
I love how the OP is questioning whether he did it correctly and when everyone
Ozymandias
8/9/22 7:15am
"I'm a people person!"
ryebrye
8/9/22 7:50am
Does she still get her PTO paid out since she didn’t stay for the two weeks?
Magneto
8/9/22 7:18am
Dumb move. By firing her you just opened up the door for her to get unemployment
Short_Changed
8/9/22 7:26am
In the past I have normally begged my employees to stay an extra week to get us
gww687
8/9/22 7:34am
I gave a two weeks notice once too…..
SaintJeff
8/9/22 7:39am
Perfectly fine if their next employment violates a no competition clause. I've
NewMexiCoug
8/9/22 7:52am
How dare you not berate him like everyone else on CB!
ColonelMustard
8/9/22 11:18am
There are situations where it's appropriate to cut off departing employees
Roko's Basilisk
8/9/22 7:56am
This thread belongs on r/antiwork. Sale would be eaten alive by the proletariat.
beatnik
8/9/22 7:57am
NO, they must give longer notice, but you don't. Is that fair?
Count Cougar
8/9/22 7:59am
Now you'll have to pay unemployment (because fired vs. resigning). Not worth it.
bluebooks
8/9/22 8:04am
depends on the state laws
Pangare
8/9/22 8:09am
Just don’t expect anyone else to give you any notice at all.
Mot
8/9/22 8:08am
Without enough information about this employees work record and relationship to the company it would be difficult to say
DJROSS
8/9/22 8:18am
Co-workers took notice. They now will give zero days notice.
flyzag
8/9/22 8:55am
To all those saying that other employees will now just give 0 days notice,
babycarrot
8/9/22 10:23am
huh?
Northwest Cougar
8/9/22 10:31am
I acknowledged that point but gave my reason for why I don’t think that pertains
babycarrot
8/9/22 10:47am
I just don't see any scenario where you give 0 days notice but don't get paid
Northwest Cougar
8/9/22 11:23am
I guess what I meant is the following:
babycarrot
8/9/22 11:35am
I think Sale knows his business better than any of us do. That sort of thing is
Thrill
8/9/22 11:33am
Then why did he come ask CB about it?
kos
8/9/22 12:15pm
Evidence is inconclusive.
Les IsMore
8/9/22 1:30pm
This sounds like when Michael Scott fired fat Tony instead of letting him quit
chrisrenrut
8/9/22 12:05pm
Really stupid move. NOW she can claim…
byubananastand
8/9/22 2:12pm
Most states have a qualifying period. If she has a job lined up, she'll be fine
LaserCoug
8/9/22 2:18pm
If her job offer gets rescinded, he’s wide open to it.
byubananastand
8/9/22 2:20pm
To answer your question, no you did not do it right and you sound bad as a boss
Ikuna
8/9/22 3:08pm
RE: fired almost immediately for not giving 2 weeks notice - sure sounds..
greatbam
8/9/22 3:25pm
This won't set precedent. Unprofessional people that would have failed to give
ekiben
8/9/22 8:47pm
Don’t bring me into this
JL31
8/9/22 11:28pm
Depends on the position and comp structure imo
JL31
8/9/22 11:38pm
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