I would think that if accrued vacation was a documented benefit, the employee would be entitled to it no matter what.

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Aug 9, 2022
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Rhino84 All-American

I would think that if accrued vacation was a documented benefit, the employee would be entitled to it no matter what.

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I just let an employee go today for only giving me a one week notice

Sale

8/8/22 10:35pm

Happens all the time. When two weeks notice comes in, employees are told not to come back. If they're going to competit

Dark Forest Green

8/8/22 10:37pm

The Navy made me give 8 months notice

BYU Tar Heel

8/9/22 12:16pm

Seems petty but whatever

8/8/22 10:37pm

So, you think employees giving a one week notice is acceptable?

Sale

8/8/22 10:40pm

and actually in this case, only a 4 day notice

Sale

8/8/22 10:41pm

M-F is 5 days

ochobeeguy

8/8/22 10:54pm

well, technically 4.5, but ok

Sale

8/8/22 10:57pm

One issue it may cause it employees will not give any notice after securing a

Thrill

8/9/22 12:20pm

Not the best, but sure. And sounds like you just set the example that a zero day notice works too.

TCuz

8/8/22 10:42pm

^^this

JoeExotic

8/8/22 10:48pm

How much notice do employers give employees before layoffs?

8/8/22 10:43pm

Amen

Kolobrdm

8/8/22 10:53pm

How much free labor (reverse severance) do employees give after quitting?

Dryfire

8/9/22 8:06am

Yep. Loyalty goes both ways.

Orem58thBall

8/9/22 10:33am

Do you give people you're firing/laying off 2 weeks notice?

cambo

8/8/22 10:48pm

He already answered that as no when he fired her today.

ochobeeguy

8/8/22 10:55pm

Get wrecked bro

Sircumference

8/9/22 6:06am

Do you give 2 weeks notice before a RIF?

CougGolf

8/8/22 10:57pm

What is your business name so I can leave a 2 star on yelp

JoeExotic

8/8/22 11:03pm

RE: What is your business name so I can leave a 2 star on yelp

Bin01015

8/8/22 11:25pm

Not ideal but as a business owner I've always tried to take the high road and avoid burning bridges

8/9/22 8:17am

Same. Plus if it's a good employee, at least I get 4 more days out of him/her while I'm trying to locate a replacement.

unctoothman

8/9/22 8:43am

Utah is a

Lavell4life

8/9/22 1:17am

This is the correct and only answer

BYURider

8/9/22 5:29am

Does Sale live in Utah?

8/9/22 11:06am

I thought this was going to be a fill-in-the-blank post about the school up N.

Pangare

8/9/22 11:20am

I just did this a couple months ago.

AZPTCOUG

8/9/22 5:42am

RE: I just let an employee go today for only giving me a one week notice

Cougarnovas

8/8/22 10:41pm

You definitely set precedence.

Bin01015

8/8/22 10:43pm

sweet, just threw your application in the trash lol

Sale

8/8/22 10:46pm

RE: sweet, just threw your application in the trash lol

maxpowers

8/8/22 10:50pm

*precedent

ochobeeguy

8/8/22 10:56pm

Careful, he might fire you for insuportanation

ryebrye

8/9/22 5:50am

RE: Careful, he might fire you for insuportanation

8/9/22 9:15am

Don’t tell Sale you’re leaving unless you want to be let go the same day.

DieHarder

8/8/22 10:47pm

I had an employer do that once, though I offered two weeks initially.

OPINIONS

8/8/22 10:47pm

Brazilcoug right now..

JohnnyComeLately

8/8/22 10:47pm

Lame. Super lame.

cambo

8/8/22 10:47pm

It’s not uncommon for us to do that even with 2 weeks notice.

ponys

8/8/22 10:48pm

It’s okay for you to terminate her employment without notice but she has some obligation to extend that courtesy to

Pimpin4Paradise

8/8/22 10:49pm

It seems like not too many of you have ever been an employer

Sale

8/8/22 10:55pm

Yes. I’m a hiring manager that not only has a large team of direct reports but a sizable number of second level reports.

Pimpin4Paradise

8/8/22 10:57pm

Feel free to enlighten us then on how employees should notify their employers

Sale

8/8/22 10:59pm

Preferably they’ll provide two weeks. If you’re a good employer, they almost always do. Your behavior of tossing someone

Pimpin4Paradise

8/8/22 11:01pm

Riiight. Way to twist that and make some far-fetched assumptions

Sale

8/8/22 11:03pm

I’ve managed hundreds of different people over the last 15 years. I can only think of one time where an employee quit

Pimpin4Paradise

8/8/22 11:09pm

I think you are missing the point. Yeah it sucks when folks give you a short

Bin01015

8/8/22 11:24pm

Well said for a non-donor

TNT

8/8/22 11:43pm

You're asking for feedback and that is how it looks from the outside. Even if it

ekiben

8/9/22 2:05am

My question is was this a good employee? It seems it got lost in this chest beating session. If the employee was solid a

DJROSS

8/9/22 8:03am

I disagree. A professional approach includes the hiring company saying

BYU Tar Heel

8/9/22 7:38am

"If you’re a good employer, they almost always do" — This is the key here…

ochobeeguy

8/9/22 8:00am

There is no should. They are not legally obligated to provide anything at all. I

here's to hoping

8/9/22 2:45am

Cry me a river

cambo

8/8/22 10:58pm

You sound more and more like someone I wouldn't want to work for.

ochobeeguy

8/8/22 10:58pm

Good and you sound like someone I wouldn't want to hire

Sale

8/8/22 11:03pm

You are going to have a difficult time attracting and holding onto good talent.

JoeExotic

8/8/22 11:06pm

That doesn't seem like a big concern

TNT

8/8/22 11:48pm

Bro, did you post that thinking you’d just get positive feedback?

dixieutahbyuzag

8/9/22 12:39am

He posted it because his policy manual said he had to. The other poster he was

ryebrye

8/9/22 7:58am

I'd never want 2 work for someone who won't hear criticism & just gets defensive

ochobeeguy

8/9/22 8:05am

Why ask the question if you already made up your mind to not accept any negative

Sircumference

8/9/22 10:50am

So your solution was to not even use the notice she did give...? Seems like if

BYUFootballisBack

8/8/22 10:59pm

“You can’t break up with me cuz I break up with you first…”

Pimpin4Paradise

8/8/22 11:02pm

Been a while since we had a CBer pile on OP thread

BYUFootballisBack

8/8/22 11:05pm

RE: Been a while since we had a CBer pile on OP thread

cambo

8/8/22 11:07pm

So you made it harder on yourself with even shorter notice?

8/8/22 11:01pm

I’ll bet you’re in an at-will state and there’s not a word about providing 2

CougGolf

8/8/22 11:01pm

Do you have any idea how challenging it is to be laid off and unemployed with

valleus

8/8/22 11:05pm

So you decided to make it harder on yourself by getting rid of her today?

crazY

8/8/22 11:29pm

It depends on the type of work, if no one can do her job or maybe she had too

SwanSong

8/9/22 12:52am

It's even harder to hire if your company has a bad reputation

ryebrye

8/9/22 5:41am

Right. And former employees who were treated badly will be motivated

Orem58thBall

8/9/22 10:46am

I usually give 2-4 weeks notice…

NonmormonYfan89

8/9/22 5:52am

I don’t get why everyone is responding with that. Is t that exactly the case?

8/9/22 11:08am

Could you imagine? “I just wanted to let you know that this is your two weeks

BYU Tar Heel

8/9/22 11:20am

I don't think anybody's saying they should give 2 weeks notice before firing

8/9/22 11:28am

The employer courtesy is severance

BYU Tar Heel

8/9/22 12:14pm

That makes a little more sense. Thank you

8/9/22 2:46pm

Is this a reverse or something?

TNT

8/8/22 10:52pm

I had to scroll down and check, assumed I missed something good

8/8/22 10:56pm

The precedence being that they shouldn't give any notice? Because you'll push them out immediately.

John Doe

8/8/22 10:55pm

There are givers and there are takers

Endocoug

8/8/22 11:01pm

RE: There are givers and there are takers

JollyGreenGiant

8/8/22 11:03pm

What makes you think I did not give her thanks? We parted on good terms and she

Sale

8/8/22 11:06pm

Lame policy. She expresses interest in a year and you won't consider hiring her?

cambo

8/8/22 11:10pm

I can accept that. We probably need to reconsider that

Sale

8/8/22 11:13pm

I was gonna say, boils down to 2 things 1) was she a good employee? If yes the

BYUFootballisBack

8/8/22 11:19pm

Wait, it’s policy to terminate anyone who doesn’t give a 2 week notice?

Endocoug

8/8/22 11:31pm

^THIS. Honestly, I have a hard time believing that. That would be extremely

kos

8/9/22 5:34am

She said I’m the best boss she’s ever seen. Never better.

8/9/22 1:10am

Almost everyone leaves on good terms. It's the next day they get pissed once

Jacksonian76

8/9/22 6:53am

Wait, did you want feedback or not? Let me put this a different way,

Pangare

8/9/22 8:07am

Her response to not being re-hirable

Ikuna

8/9/22 3:13pm

That is super insecure to run business like that.

JoeExotic

8/8/22 11:12pm

Some employers abuse the two-weeks notice thing and let employees go the moment

garyfan

8/8/22 11:27pm

I would never do that. I would honor the 2 week notice so long as the employee

Sale

8/8/22 11:32pm

But your employees just saw you tell one of their colleagues to pack her bags.

garyfan

8/8/22 11:38pm

I agree with this. Also, he likely put more work on the other employees in the short term. I don't think it was wise.

jdub

8/9/22 12:11am

RE: I agree with this. Also, he likely put more work on the other employees in

garyfan

8/9/22 12:16am

This is the biggest thing - if I'm his employee, I'm now less likely to give ANY notice

krindorr

8/9/22 3:33am

What kind of team do you manage?

NonmormonYfan89

8/9/22 6:02am

"I would never do that"…but if it were 1 week, all bets are off…

ochobeeguy

8/9/22 10:32am

It amazes me how one sided some people are…

delbert

8/8/22 11:32pm

This ^^^, plus we honestly didn’t get enough info about the job, industry, etc

babycarrot

8/9/22 2:08am

Letting her go 4 days early is nbd

JoeExotic

8/9/22 5:19am

Therefore, her leaving 5 days early is also nbd.

Les IsMore

8/9/22 9:35am

Well thought out and written post.

rerunc

8/9/22 6:05am

I think the part you're missing is he is not helping himself out AT ALL

ryebrye

8/9/22 6:16am

This is the right answer. He’s hurting himself in both the short run and

Joe

8/10/22 4:59am

It's not 4 days, it's 5, and it was totally done in spite.

ochobeeguy

8/9/22 10:34am

If you’re in an at-will employment state, no issues

8/8/22 11:45pm

This is correct.

rainorsnow

8/9/22 6:10pm

Thanks everyone for taking the time to share your thoughts. Helps me

Sale

8/8/22 11:48pm

It really depends on the employee. I try not to burn bridges unless the employee

BNcoug

8/9/22 12:17am

You started off so strong, but then had to throw in the bit about victimhood.

Joe

8/10/22 5:37am

In the past, I've had a job....

trigg3r

8/9/22 1:34am

First. You had the stones to come here and disclose a leadership decision and

JarJarBeeps

8/9/22 1:42am

Here’s what you should do tomorrow:

garyfan

8/9/22 2:27am

After reading this thread, there is zero chance he's going to do that.

ryebrye

8/9/22 5:45am

This

JarJarBeeps

8/9/22 9:11am

A thousand times, this.

Mitty

8/9/22 10:04am

My question for you on how things played out..

WY_CougFan

8/9/22 2:43am

^ this

mobicurious

8/9/22 4:57am

I think the important question is did you pay her for the rest of the week?

NYC and Japan

8/9/22 7:37am

Throughout this whole thread, there seems to be a common element missing

Acorn

8/9/22 5:48am

Last paragraph spot on.

rerunc

8/9/22 6:10am

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Ozymandias

8/9/22 6:20am

I would think that if accrued vacation was a documented benefit, the employee would be entitled to it no matter what.

Rhino84

8/9/22 7:50am

Depending on company policy and state regulation you may have to pay that out

Dr T-bone

8/9/22 7:54am

I know this is a slightly different topic but in our company they limit carry-over of accrued time off (year to year)

Rhino84

8/9/22 8:03am

For my last job, I only gave one weeks notice. I spent the year prior dealing

LaserCoug

8/9/22 6:29am

Do you give employees a two week notice?

Les IsMore

8/9/22 6:57am

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The_ATL

8/9/22 7:10am

Is she under contract to give 2 weeks? Otherwise it’s not a requirnent BUT if

Dr MoBYU

8/9/22 7:14am

I love how the OP is questioning whether he did it correctly and when everyone

Ozymandias

8/9/22 7:15am

"I'm a people person!"

ryebrye

8/9/22 7:50am

Does she still get her PTO paid out since she didn’t stay for the two weeks?

Magneto

8/9/22 7:18am

Dumb move. By firing her you just opened up the door for her to get unemployment

Short_Changed

8/9/22 7:26am

In the past I have normally begged my employees to stay an extra week to get us

gww687

8/9/22 7:34am

I gave a two weeks notice once too…..

SaintJeff

8/9/22 7:39am

Perfectly fine if their next employment violates a no competition clause. I've

NewMexiCoug

8/9/22 7:52am

How dare you not berate him like everyone else on CB!

8/9/22 11:18am

There are situations where it's appropriate to cut off departing employees

Roko's Basilisk

8/9/22 7:56am

This thread belongs on r/antiwork. Sale would be eaten alive by the proletariat.

beatnik

8/9/22 7:57am

NO, they must give longer notice, but you don't. Is that fair?

Count Cougar

8/9/22 7:59am

Now you'll have to pay unemployment (because fired vs. resigning). Not worth it.

bluebooks

8/9/22 8:04am

depends on the state laws

Pangare

8/9/22 8:09am

Just don’t expect anyone else to give you any notice at all.

Mot

8/9/22 8:08am

Without enough information about this employees work record and relationship to the company it would be difficult to say

DJROSS

8/9/22 8:18am

Co-workers took notice. They now will give zero days notice.

flyzag

8/9/22 8:55am

To all those saying that other employees will now just give 0 days notice,

babycarrot

8/9/22 10:23am

huh?

Northwest Cougar

8/9/22 10:31am

I acknowledged that point but gave my reason for why I don’t think that pertains

babycarrot

8/9/22 10:47am

I just don't see any scenario where you give 0 days notice but don't get paid

Northwest Cougar

8/9/22 11:23am

I guess what I meant is the following:

babycarrot

8/9/22 11:35am

I think Sale knows his business better than any of us do. That sort of thing is

Thrill

8/9/22 11:33am

Then why did he come ask CB about it?

kos

8/9/22 12:15pm

Evidence is inconclusive.

Les IsMore

8/9/22 1:30pm

This sounds like when Michael Scott fired fat Tony instead of letting him quit

chrisrenrut

8/9/22 12:05pm

Really stupid move. NOW she can claim…

8/9/22 2:12pm

Most states have a qualifying period. If she has a job lined up, she'll be fine

LaserCoug

8/9/22 2:18pm

If her job offer gets rescinded, he’s wide open to it.

8/9/22 2:20pm

To answer your question, no you did not do it right and you sound bad as a boss

Ikuna

8/9/22 3:08pm

RE: fired almost immediately for not giving 2 weeks notice - sure sounds..

greatbam

8/9/22 3:25pm

This won't set precedent. Unprofessional people that would have failed to give

ekiben

8/9/22 8:47pm

Don’t bring me into this

JL31

8/9/22 11:28pm

Depends on the position and comp structure imo

JL31

8/9/22 11:38pm

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